We measure progress in numbers, targets, indicators, and results.

But what happens when the most important parts of the work cannot be fully captured by what we measure?

In this Clay Conversation, Eden Asiimwe sits down with Shanine Linda Ahimbisibwe for a thoughtful conversation about evidence, learning, people, and the realities behind the numbers.

They explore what it means to work closely with communities, what experience can teach us that reports sometimes cannot, and why good measurement must never cause us to lose sight of the people whose lives sit behind the evidence.

More Than What We Measure is ultimately a conversation about seeing the whole picture — the results we can count, the stories we need to hear, and the responsibility to keep learning from both.

Clay Conversations

Conversations for those who build what endures.

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